don't be afraid to see what you see. >> and don't be afraid to say it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> if you see it, say it, they say at the train statio >> well, facts are fas, and when you get a lot of experts agreeing on the facts, sometimes they're wrong. but when you get 17 intelligence agencies agreeing on something -- i used to be on the intelligence board. i always voted no, so it wouldn't always be 17-0. when you get all of them agreeing on something, that's rare. that's unusual. trump would have been so much better off saying, yeah, that's what happened. i had nothing to do with it. let's find out how it happened. >> then he would be believable on other stuff. >> right. >> let me ask you about trump and this -- i know it sounds a little too casual, but russia, russia, russia, russia, russia. i mean this guy, we've had people spend their whole lives never think about wanting to go to russia, don't know any russians. i've had administration i've covered for all these years. i've never seen all this contact with russians.